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Thursday, 27 October 2016

139. Blow the trumpet! (The articles of this blog)

Blow the trumpet! (The articles of this blog) 

Peace and grace for all the honest researchers,
This is a statement of faith about my general views from the Bible. My research started in 1991 

A statement of true faith
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I believe in one God, Yehouah, the Father Almighty, the Creator of Heaven and Earth and of all things from the Universe

and in Yesus The Anointed, his only begotten Son, our Lord,
who came from heaven to be born on earth through Mary, a virgin, by the holy spirit (the mind-power of God),
was crucified on an "crux simplex" under Pontius Pilate,
died for our sins and buried, rose from the dead on the third day,
ascended to the heavens, and sits on the right hand of the Father Almighty,
whence he will come, to judge the living and the dead;
and in the holy spirit, the holy assembly, the remission of sins,
the resurrection of the death and in the eternal life. Amen!


International Standard Version
Joel 2:1 "Sound the ram's horn in Zion! Sound an alarm on my holy mountain! Tremble, all of you inhabitants of the land, because the Day of the LORD (Yehowah) is coming. Oh, how near it is!
"


New American Standard Bible
Ezekiel 33:
The Watchman’s Duty

1And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2“Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, ‘If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, 3and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people, 4then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. 5‘He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. 6‘But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’

New Heart English Bible
1Corinthians 9:16
For if I proclaim the Good News, I have nothing to boast about; for necessity is laid on me; but woe is to me, if I do not proclaim the Good News.


(The articles of this blog: Waiting For The Final Test)


1. The snowball Trinity versus the Father Almighty
2. He is "Yehowah": God's holy name
3. The story of The rich man and the beggar Lazarus: A fake, a literal history or a parable?
See why is a fake...
Try with Google Translate from Romanian
4. Greetings from Romania!
5. Archangel Michael, the Son of God
6. E.mails from brother Raymond Franz, former member of the Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses
7. Jay Dicken's 27 answer to trinitarians
8. Yah is One. Yah is Love.: Does Hebrews 1:10-12 prove that Yeshua is Yahweh?
9. DEMONISM and the WATCH TOWER: JW's leader under the demon's control
10. About me & My statement after the last split (2012)
11. Subject: If the Son is not created, how he came in existence?
12. A response to the Arian nontrinitarians
13. The Ancient Inventors of Hell's eternal torment
14. THE FIRE THAT CONSUMES: "Eternal" with Words of Action
15. What is a man, that I still believe in resurrection?
16. The Last hymn of Georg "Blaurock" 1529
17. KNOW THESE FACTS ABOUT some men and women who mocked God
18. Lazarus and the Rich Man: A literal, historical event or an extra-Biblical source?
19. About the "inspiration" of so called "church fathers": From where Hippolytus got it?
20. "The last gnostic" Origene, the head supporter of the unbiblical immortalily of the soul
21. Bishop Polycarp’s last prayer
22. Inquisitions: Where is the muslim and pagan inquisition?
23. You are free, my sister, my brother, my friend?
24. A vow sent by Marcus Ampe
25. Why is the Gospel good news?
26. Last Supper was a day earlier, scientist claims
27. My desire, what I believe, and why I believe what I believe My desire
28. The Lord's Prayer and The Great Commission
29. The Monkey's Disgrace
30. Free from sin, free from law: "for you are not under the law" (the law of Moses) Romans 6:14
31. “You subscribed, Eusebius!" The traitors of Arius
32. Why I believe in God's existence, and why you don't have any excuse?
33. An old mystery from the Noah's ark time: Where is the water?
34. A question for Sabbath-keeping churches: Why is missing the Sabbath from Acts 15?
35. About my supreme desire
36. May I present what the Bible really teach?
37. This is a dialog invitation: Let's talk in love and holiness
38. Who are "the other sheep" from John 10:16?
39. Adventist imagination: When God will shut the door
40. The Essene Text of Death Sea Scrolls
41. The 2520 year theory is from William Miller, not from God
42. The 2520 years Gentile Times are from God or from Joshua Spalding?
43. Who were the first associated of pastor Charles Taze Russell?
44. Adventist linked origin of Bible Students & Jehovah's Witnesses
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2012/12/adventist-origin-of-bible-students.html
45. Charles Taze Russell early view about Nelson H. Barbour as "the chosen vessel of God"
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2012/12/charles-taze-russell-early-view-about.html
46. A new split of the Second Adventists and the appearance of the Bible Student movement
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/parkinson-james-bible-student-movement.html
47. Request for A.P. Pottle, "The Power of the Mind," The Golden Age
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/no-sleep.html
48. Gerard Gertoux book's excellent review: Not a Nameless God - by George L Pullman
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/gerard-gertoux-books-excellent-review.html
49. CT Russell's wrong view about the gentile times and the great tribulation
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/ct-russell-about-gentile-times-and.html
50. JW's Splinter groups: Free Bible Students Romanian Trip Report
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/romanian-trip-report.html
51. JW's Splinter groups The Goshen Fellowship (1951 - Present)
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-goshen-fellowship-1951-present.html
52. Dialog about 1914 doctrine
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/dialog-meeting-on-5-of-this-month.html
53. God's people need a last reformation
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/gods-people-need-last-reformation.html
54. Bible believers, true witnesses for Almighty God, Jehovah and Lord Jesus Christ
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/our-desire-must-be.html
55. My Old Statement Of Faith
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/my-old-statement-of-faith.html
56. The Bible Student Movement and it's fractions
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-bible-student-movement-and-its.html
57. Questions
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/questions.html
58. Troubles in the Bible Student paradise
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/troubles-in-bible-student-paradise.html
59. Some info about this Bible Student and JW groups
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/i-need-some-info-about-this-bible.html
60. The "The Year 1881" the "last (lost) member" of the 144000
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-year-1881-last-lost-member-of-144000.html
61. Hegesippus, about the early sects
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/hegesippus-about-early-sects.html
62. Who invented this hell?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/who-invented-this-hell.html
63. The pagan Pythagoreans and their bad influence
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-pagan-pythagoreans-and-their-bad.html
64. The real origin of the trinitarian dogma (three persons in one God)
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-real-origin-of-trinitarian-dogma.html
65. The trinitarian dogma and the marcionist movement
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-trinitarian-dogma-and-marcionist.html
66. What means the Hebrew word "sar"?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/what-means-hebrew-word-sar.html
67. The History of the Development of the Trinity Doctrine, author RBD
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-history-of-development-of-trinity.html
68. God's name was removed from the New Testament? Yes, but WHY?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/gods-name-was-removed-from-new.html
69. Who is, or what is "Babylon the great" from Revelation chapter 17 and 18?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/who-is-or-what-is-babylon-great-from.html
70. Adventist linked family (a little "Babylon" :) )
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/adventist-babylon.html
71. The Great City
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-great-city.html
72. What means the word "transdoctrinal" and why?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/what-means-word-transdoctrinal-and-why.html
73. About the last reformation
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/about-last-reformation.html
74. A view about millenium
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/a-view-about-millenium.html
75. The events of the Book of Revelation
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-events-of-book-of-revelation.html
76. The Revelation book first future event with Bible verses - Event one
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/revelation-book-first-future-event-with.html
77. Revelation book second future event with Bible verses - Event two
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/revelation-book-second-future-event.html
78. Revelation book's future events with Bible verses - Event three
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/revelation-book-second-future-events.html
79. Revelation book's future events with Bible verses - Event four
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/revelation-books-future-events-with.html
80. Did Calvin murder Servetus? Yes, he did!
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/did-calvin-murder-servetus.html
81. The spurious Comma
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/the-spurious-comma.html
82. A calling to the Church
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/01/a-calling-to-church.html
83. Newsletter Bible Community: Four translations
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/03/newsletter-bible-community.html
84. Exist "Pagan Christianity"? Yes.
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/03/pagan-christianity.html
85. Article, request for help: How Many TC Errors in This Statement?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/04/article-request-for-help-how-many-tc.html
86. Why is not the Gospel a second chance good news?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/05/why-is-not-gospel-second-chance-good.html
87. Presentation http://bible-translation.net
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/05/presentation-httpbible-translationnet.html
88. Was the divine name YHWH in the primitive writings of the New Testament?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/05/was-divine-name-yhwh-in-primitive.html
89. Matthew of the DuTillet that contain the abbreviation for the Tetragrammaton
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/05/matthew-of-dutillet-that-contain.html
90. Ancient Truths Forum invitation
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/05/forum-invitation.html
91. Virtual Manuscript Room
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/06/virtual-manuscript-room.html
92. Online Bible translations
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/06/online-bible-translations.html
93. God's punishment over the false religion
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/06/gods-punishment.html
94. The real text of Matthew 10:28
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/06/the-real-text-of-matthew-1028.html
95. Hallelujah, Praise Jehovah
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/07/hallelujah-praise-jehovah.html
96. The Scribes, A Novel about the Early Church, news
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/07/5-days-of-free-download.html
97. Is a man immortal? A man have an immortal soul?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/08/is-man-immortal-man-has-immortal-soul.html
98. The great grace of God
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/08/the-great-grace-of-god.html
99. Are you looking for God?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/08/99-are-you-looking-for-god.html
100. Question: How are we saved?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/question-how-are-we-saved.html
101. When we reach salvation
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/when-we-reach-salvation.html
102. Two "textual investigation"
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/two-textual-investigation.html
103. Questions and answers about...
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/questions-and-answers-about.html
104. The new manna (Jesus) is from heaven
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/the-new-manna-jesus-is-from-heaven.html
105. Exist connection between ...
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/exist-connection-between.html
106. About Jesus Christ and the holy spirit
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/about-jesus-christ-and-holy-spirit.html
107. "and that rock was Christ"
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/that-rock-was-christ.html
108. The reconstruction of the biblical calendar
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/jewish-essene-calendar.html
109. Biblia antica vs the modern Bible
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/biblia-antica-vs-modern-bible.html
110. The Marcionite version of Luke 16:19-31
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/the-marcionite-version-of-luke-829-31.html
111. Presentation of some biblical points
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/point-7.html
112. The angel of the covenant, who is he?
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/09/the-angel-of-covenant-who-is-he.html
113. The "anointed ones" and "the great crowd"
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/10/the-anointed-ones-and-great-crowd.html
114. The beast from Revelation's book
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/10/the-beast-from-revelations-book.html
115. Young Earth website
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/10/young-earth-website.html 1
116. Good news: ANNOUNCING DVD OF 'HELL AND MR. FUDGE' MOVIE
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/10/116-good-news-announcing-dvd-of-hell.html
117. Evangelical Textual Criticism: Reply to Parker's Review of The Early Text(s) of t...
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/11/evangelical-textual-criticism-reply-to.html
118. The Early Text of the New Testament : The Early Text of the New Testament Oxford Scholarship Online
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/11/the-early-text-of-new-testament-early.html
119. My old and new statement of faith
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/11/my-old-and-new-statement-of-faith.html
120. Request: The Book Of Nestor
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/11/request-book-of-nestor.html
121. Trouble on the earth
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/11/trouble-on-earth.html
122. The Conditionalist Faith Of Our Fathers - by Edwin Leroy Froom
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/11/the-conditionallist-faith-of-our.html
123. Tears for Jesus In Gamo Highland
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/12/tears-for-jesus-in-gamo-highland.html
124. A Pentateuch brought from Derband (Daghestan), written before 604 of the common era
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2013/12/a-pentateuch-brought-from-derband.html
125. Grace and Salvation blog (Har Şi Mântuire)
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2014/10/har-si-mantuire-puncte-de-credinta-spre.html
126. Immortality of the Soul or Resurrection of the Dead? by Oscar Cullmann
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2014/11/immortality-of-soul-or-resurrection-of.html
127. THE APOSTLES CREED
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2014/11/the-apostles-creed.html
128. Question for Muslims about the end times
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2014/11/question-for-muslims.html
129. To the Christians and Muslims, about the life atfter death doctrine, according to the old time faith
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2014/12/to-christians-and-muslims-about-life.html
130. Vaiting for answers (Varvan "Gabor" velemenyet)
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2014/12/varvan-gabor-velemenyet.html
131. My understanding regarding John 1:1 and Daniel 10:13
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2015/02/my-understanding-regarding-john-11-and.html
132. The "archangel Christology" an "Angel Christology"? No!
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2015/02/the-archangel-christology-angel.html
133. Announcement - For founding a Bible study group
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2015/03/announcement-for-founding-church.html
134. Awesome one God, the Father Almighty
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2015/10/awesome-one-god-father-almighty.html
135. A statement of faith
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2015/12/a-modern-day-statement-of-faith.html
136. About the holy spirit: For trinitarians and semi-trinitarians, a helping hand in the holy spirit matter
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2015/12/136-about-holy-spirit-for-trinitarians.html
137. Anarthrous construction of John 1:1 and It's Meaning
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2016/10/anarthrous-construction-of-john-11-and.html
138. Early Arians infected with trinitarian ideas
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2016/10/early-arians-infected-with-trinitarian.html
139. Blow the trumpet! (The articles of this blog)
http://waitingforthefinaltest.blogspot.ro/2016/10/blow-trumpet-articles-of-this-blog.html

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Tuesday, 4 October 2016

138. Early Arians infected with trinitarian ideas

Early Arians infected with trinitarian ideas 

Quotes from Thalia, by Arius. See the infection, you can't find the "Triad, Monad, Dyad" in the Bible. "So there is a Triad, not in equal glories.
Their beings (hypostaseis) are not mixed together among themselves. (Marcellus of Ankyra testified that the followers of Arius were "trinitarians, who believed in three hypostases")
As far as their glories, one infinitely more glorious than the other.
The Father in his essence (ousia) is a foreigner to the Son, because he exists without beginning.
Understand that the Monad [eternally] was; but the Dyad was not before it came into existence.
It immediately follows that, although the Son did not exist, the Father was still God.
Hence the Son, not being [eternal] came into existence by the Father’s will,
He is the Only-begotten God, and this one is alien from [all] others" Trinity

In the fourth-century, Marcellus of Ancyra declared that the idea of the Godhead existing as three hypostases (hidden spiritual realities) came from Plato through the teachings of Valentinus,[9] who is quoted as teaching that God is three hypostases and three prosopa (persons) called the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit:

Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God... These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato.[10]

Since Valentinus had used the term hypostases, his name came up in the Arian disputes in the fourth century. Marcellus of Ancyra was a staunch opponent of Arianism, but also denounced the belief in God existing in three hypostases as heretical, and was later condemned for his teachings. Marcellus attacked his opponents (On the Holy Church, 9) by linking them to Valentinus:

Valentinus, the leader of a sect, was the first to devise the notion of three subsistent entities (hypostases), in a work that he entitled On the Three Natures. For, he devised the notion of three subsistent entities and three persons — father, son, and holy spirit.[11]
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For many, who don't know  "He taught that the Father alone is God". No, he din not. Arius was a trinitarian, see what he wrote in his hymnal book, the Thalia: "Certainly there is a Trinity .. and they possess glories of different levels (δόξαις οὐχ ὁμοίαις)"
Αὐτὸς γοῦν ὁ θεὸς καθό ἐστιν ἄρρητος ἅπασιν ὑπάρχει.
... And so God Himself, as he really is, is inexpressible to all.
ἴσον οὐδὲ ὅμοιον, οὐχ ὁμόδοξον ἔχει μόνος οὗτος.
He alone has no equal, no one similar (homoios), and no one of the same glory.
ἀγέννητον δὲ αὐτόν φαμεν διὰ τὸν τὴν φύσιν γεννητόν·
We call him unbegotten, in contrast to him who by nature is begotten.
τοῦτον ἄναρχον ἀνυμνοῦμεν διὰ τὸν ἀρχὴν ἔχοντα,
We praise him as without beginning in contrast to him who has a beginning.
ἀίδιον δὲ αὐτὸν σέβομεν διὰ τὸν ἐν χρόνοις γεγαότα.
We worship him as timeless, in contrast to him who in time has come to exist.
ἀρχὴν τὸν υἰὸν ἔθηκε τῶν γενητῶν ὁ ἄναρχος
He who is without beginning made the Son a beginning of created things
καὶ ἤνεγκεν εἰς υἱὸν ἑαυτῷ τόνδε τεκνοποιήσας,
He produced him as a son for himself by begetting him.
ἴδιον οὐδὲν ἔχει τοῦ θεοῦ καθ᾽¦ ὑπόστασιν ἰδιότητος,
He [the son] has none of the distinct characteristics of God’s own being (kat’ hypostasis)
οὐδὲ γάρ ἐστιν ἴσος, ἀλλ’ οὐδὲ ὁμοούσιος αὐτῷ.
For he is not equal to, nor is he of the same being (homoousios) as him.
σοφὸς δέ ἐστιν ὁ θεός, ὅτι τῆς σοφίας διδάσκαλος αύτός.
God is wise, for he himself is the teacher of Wisdom
ἱκανὴ δὲ ἀπόδειξις ὅτι ὁ θεὸς ἀόρατος ἅπασι,
Sufficient proof that God is invisible to all:
τοῖς τε διὰ υἱοῦ καὶ αὐτῷ τῷ υἱῷ ἀόρατος ὁ αὐτός.
He is invisible both to things which were made through the Son, and also to the Son himself.
ῥητῶς δὲ λέχω, πῶς τῷ υἱῷ ὁρᾶται ὁ ἀόρατος·
I will say specifically how the invisible is seen by the Son:
τῇ δυνάμει ᾗ δύναται ὁ θεὸς ἰδεῖν· ἰδίοις τε μέτροις
by that power by which God is able to see, each according to his own measure,
ὑπομένει ὁ υἱὸς ἰδεῖν τὸν πατέρα, ὡς θέμις ἐστίν.
the Son can bear to see the Father, as is determined
ἤγουν τριάς ἐστι δόξαις οὐχ ὁμοίαις, ἀνεπίμικτοι ἑαυταῖς εἰσιν αἱ ὑποστάσεις αὐτῶν,
So there is a Triad, not in equal glories. Their beings (hypostaseis) are not mixed together among themselves.
μία τῆς μιᾶς ἐνδοξοτέρα δόξαις ἐπ’ ἄπειρον.
As far as their glories, one infinitely more glorious than the other.
ξένος τοῦ υἱοῦ κατ’ οὐσίαν ὁ πατήρ, ὅτι ἄναρχος ὐπάρχει.
The Father in his essence (ousia) is a foreigner to the Son, because he exists without beginning.
σύνες ὅτι ἡ μονὰς ἦν, ἡ δυὰς δὲ οὐκ ἦν, πρὶν ὑπάρξῃ.
Understand that the Monad [eternally] was; but the Dyad was not before it came into existence.
αὐτίκα γοῦν υἱοῦ μὴ ὄντος ὁ πατὴρ θεός ἐστι.
It immediately follows that, although the Son did not exist, the Father was still God.
λοιπὸν ὁ υἰὸς οὐκ ὢν (ὐπῆρξε δὲ θελήσει πατρῴᾳ)
Hence the Son, not being [eternal] came into existence by the Father’s will,
μονογενὴς θεός ἐστι καὶ ἑκατέρων ἀλλότριος οὗτος.
He is the Only-begotten God, and this one is alien from [all] others
ἡ σοφία σοφία ὑπῆρξε σοφοῦ θεοῦ θελήσει.
Wisdom came to be Wisdom by the will of the Wise God.
επινοεῖται γοῦν μυρίαις ὅσαις ἐπινοίαις πνεῦμα, δύναμις, σοφία,
Hence he is conceived in innumerable aspects. He is Spirit, Power, Wisdom,
δόξα θεοῦ, ἀλήθειά τε καὶ εἰκὼν καὶ λόγος οὗτος.
God’s glory, Truth, Image, and Word.
σύνες ὅτι καὶ ἀπαύγασμα καὶ φῶς ἐπινοεῖται.
Understand that he is also conceived of as Radiance and Light.
ἴσον μὲν τοῦ υἱοῦ γεννᾶν δυνατός ἐστιν ὁ κρείττων,
The one who is superior is able to beget one equal to the Son,
διαφορώτερον δὲ ἢ κρείττονα ἢ μείζονα οὐχί.
But not someone more important, or superior, or greater.
θεοῦ ¦ θελήσει ὁ υἱὸς ἡλίκος καὶ ὅσος ἐστίν,
At God’s will the Son has the greatness and qualities that he has.
ἐξ ὅτε καὶ ἀφ’ οὖ καὶ ἀπὸ τότε ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ὑπέστη,
His existence from when and from whom and from then — are all from God.
ἰσχυρὸς θεὸς ὢν τὸν κρείττονα ἐκ μέρους ὑμνεῖ.
He, though strong God, praises in part (ek merous) his superior.
συνελόντι εἰπεῖν τῷ υἱῷ ὁ θεὀς ἄρρητος ὑπάρχει·
In brief, God is inexpressible to the Son.
ἔστι γὰρ ἑαυτῷ ὅ ἐστι τοῦτ‘ ἔστιν ἄλεκτος,
For he is in himself what he is, that is, indescribable,
ὥστε οὐδὲν τῶν λεγομένων κατά τε κατάληψιν συνίει ἐξειπεῖν ὁ υἱός.
So that the son does not comprehend any of these things or have the understanding to explain them.
ἀδύνατα γὰρ αὐτῷ τὸν πατέρα τε ἐξιχνιάσει, ὅς ἐστιν ἐφ’ ἑαυτοῦ.
For it is impossible for him to fathom the Father, who is by himself.
αὐτὸς γὰρ ὁ υἱὸς τὴν ἑαυτοῦ οὐσίαν οὐκ οἶδεν,
For the Son himself does not even know his own essence (ousia),
υἱὸς γὰρ ὢν θελήσει πατρὸς ὑπῆρξεν ἀληθῶς.
For being Son, his existence is most certainly at the will of the Father.
τίς γοῦν λόγος συγχωρεῖ τὸν ἐκ πατρὸς ὄντα
What reasoning allows, that he who is from the Father
αὐτὸν τὸν γεννήσαντα γνῶναι ἐν καταλήψει;
should comprehend and know his own parent?
δῆλον γὰρ ὅτι τὸ αρχὴν ἔχον, τὸν ἄναρχον, ὡς ἔστιν,
For clearly that which has a beginning
ἐμπερινοῆσαι ἢ ἐμπεριδράξασθαι οὐχ οἷόν τέ ἐστιν.
is not able to conceive of or grasp the existence of that which has no beginning.
A slightly different edition of the fragment of the Thalia from De Synodis is given by G.C. Stead,[63] and served as the basis for a translation by R.P.C. Hanson.[64] Stead argued that the Thalia was written in anapestic meter, and edited the fragment to show what it would look like in anapests with different line breaks. Hanson based his translation of this fragment directly on Stead's text. Here is Stead's edition with Hanson's translation.
Αύτὸς γοῦν ὁ θεὸς καθό ἐστ’ [ιν] ἄρρετος ἅπασιν ὑπαρχει
God himself, therefore, in himself remains mysterious (ἄρρετος).
ἴσον οὐ δὲ ὅμοιον, οὐχ ὁμόδοξον ἔχει μόνοσ οὗτος
He alone has no equal, none like him, none of equal glory.
ἀγέν[ν]ητον δ’αὐτόν φαμεν διὰ τὸν τὴν φύσιν γεννετόν
We call him unoriginated (ἀγέν[ν]ητον) in contrast to him who is originated by nature ...
τοῦτον ... ἄναρχον ἀνυμνοῦμεν διὰ τὸν ἀρχὴν ἔχοντα
we praise him as without beginning in contrast to him who has a beginning,
ἀΐδιον δ’αὐτὸν σέβομεν διὰ τὸν ἐν χρόνοις γεγαότα.
we worship him as eternal in contrast to him who came into existence in times (χρόνοις).
ἀρχὴν τὸν υἰὸν ἔθηκε τῶν γεννητῶν ὁ ἄναρχος
He who was without beginning made the Son a beginning of all things which are produced (γεννήτῶν),
καὶ ἤνεγκεν εἰς υἱον ἑαυτῷ τόνδε τεκνοποιήσας.
and he made him into a Son for himself; begetting (τεκνοποιήσας) him.
ἴδιον οὐδεν ἔχει τοῦ θεοῦ καθ᾽ὑπόστασιν ἰδιότητος
He (the Son) has nothing peculiar to (ἴδιον) God according to the reality of that which is peculiarly his (καθ᾽ὑπόστασιν ἰδιότητος),
οὐδὲ γάρ ἐστιν ἴσος ... ἀλλ’ οὐδ’ ὁμοούσιος αὐτῷ.
and he is not equal ... far less is he consubstantial (ὁμοούσιος) to him (God).
σοφὸς [δ’] ἐστιν ὁ θεὸς, ὅτι τῆς σοφίας διδάσκαλος αύτός.
And God is wise because he is the Teacher of Wisdom.
ἱκανὴ δὲ ἀπόδειξις ὅτι ὁ θεὸς ἀόρατος ἅπασι
As a sufficient proof that God is invisible (ἀόρατος) to all,
τοῖς τε δι’ υἱοῦ καὐτῷ τῷ υἱ(ῷ) ἀόρατος ὁ αὐτός...
that he is invisible to the Son’s people and to the Son himself...
ῥητῶς δ’ <ἐγὼ> λέχω πῶς τῷ υἱῷ ὁρᾶτ’ ὁ ἀόρατος·
I will declare roundly, how the invisible can be visible to the Son:
τῇ δυνάμει ᾗ δύνατ’ ὁ θεὸς ἰδεῖν ἰδίοις. . τε μέτροις
by the power in which God can see, according to his individual ... capacities (ἰδίοις ... τε μέτροις)
ὑπομένει ὁ υἱὸς ἰδεῖν ... τὸν πατέρ’ ὡς θέμις ἐστιν.
the Son is able to see... the Father as is determined (θέμις).
ἤγουν τριάς ἐστιν ... δόξαις οὐχ ὁμοίαις
Certainly there is a Trinity .. and they possess glories of different levels (δόξαις οὐχ ὁμοίαις)
ἀνεπίμικτοι ἑαυταῖς [εἰσιν] αἱ ὑποστάσεις αὐτῶν
their individual realities (ὑποστάσεις) do not mix with each other,
μία τῆς μιᾶς ἐνδοξοτέρα δοξαῖς ἐπ’ ἄπειρον.
The sole glory is of the Sole (μία τῆς μιᾶς), infinitely more splendid in his glories.
ξένος τοῦ υἱοῦ κατ’ οὐσίαν ὁ πατήρ ὅτι ἄναρχος ὐπάρχει.
The father is in his substance (οὐσίαν) alien (ξένος) from the Son because he reamains without beginning.
σύνες <οὖν> ὅτι ἡ μονὰς ἦν, ἡ δυὰς δ’ οὐκ ἦν πρὶν ὑπάρξῃ.
Understand therefore that the Mondad (μονὰς) existed, but the Dyad (δυὰς) did not exist before it attained existence.
αὐτίκα γοῦν υἱοῦ μὴ ὄντος ὁ πατὴρ θεός ἐστι.

λοιπὸν ὁ υἱὸς οὐκ ὢν (ὐπῆρξε<ν> δὲ θελήσει πατρῴᾳ)
So the Son having not existed attained existence by the Father’s will.
μονογενὴς θεός ἐστι<ν> κἀ κατέρων ἀλλότριος οὗτος.
He is only-begotten God and he is different from any others.
ἡ σοφία σοφία ὑπῆρξε σοφοῦ θεοῦ θελήσει.
Wisdom became Wisdom by the will of the wise God,
επινοεῖται γοῦν μυρίαις ὅσαις ἐπινοίαις
and so he is apprehended in an uncountable number of aspects (ἐπινοίαις).
πνεῦμα ... δύναμις, σοφία,

δόξα θεοῦ, ἀλήθειά τε καὶ εἰκὼν καὶ λόγος οὗτος.
He is God’s Glory and Truth, and Image and Word.
σύνες ὅτι καὶ ἀπαύγασμά <τε> καὶ φῶς ἐπινοεῖται.
Understand too that he is apprehended as Reflection (ἀπαύγασμα) also and Light.
ἴσον μὲν τοῦ υἱοῦ’ γεννᾶν δυνατός ἐστιν ὁ κρείττων
The Greater One is able to beget (γεννᾶν) someone equal to the Son,
διαφορώτερον δ’ ἢ κρείττονα ἢ μείζονα, οὐχί.
but not someone more important or more powerful or greater.
θεοῦ θελήσει ὁ υἱὸς ἡλίκος καὶ ὅσος ἐστὶν,
It is by the will of God that the Son has his stature and character (ἡλίκος καὶ ὅσος)
ἐξ ὅτε κἀφ’ οὖ κἀπὸ τότ’ ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ὑπέστη.
when and whence and from what time he is from God.
ἰσχυρὸς <γὰρ> θεὸς ὢν τὸν κρείττονα ἐκ μέρους ὑμνεῖ.
For he is the Mighty God [i.e., the Son, Isa 9:15] and in some degree (ἐκ μέρους) worships the Greater.
συνελόντι εἰπεῖν τῷ υἱῷ ὁ θεὸς ἄρρητος ὑπάρχει
To summarize, God is mysterious (ἄρρητος) to the Son,
ἔστι γὰρ ἁυτῷ ὅ ἐστι<ν>, τοῦτ’ ἔστιν ἄλεκτος,
for he is to him that which he is, i.e. ineffable (ἄλεκτος),
ὥστ’ οὐδὲν τῶν λεγομένων ... κατά τε κατάληψιν
so that none of the things spoken ... [text is corrupt for some words ]
συνίει ἐξειπεῖν ὁ υἱός, ἀδύνατα γὰρ αὐτῷ
 ... for it is impossible for him
τὸν πατέρα τε ἐξιχνιάσαι ὅς ἐστιν ἐφ’ αὑτοῦ·
to trace out in the case of the Father what he is in himself.
αὐτὸς γὰρ ὁ υἱὸς τὴν αὑτοῦ οὐσίαν οὐκ οἶδεν
Indeed the Son himself does not know his own substance (ousia),
υἱὸς γὰρ ὢν θελήσει πατρὸς ὑπῆρξεν ἀληθῶς.
for though he is the Son he is really so by the will of the Father.
τίς γοῦν λόγος συγχωρεῖ τὸν ἐκ πατρὸς ὄντα
For what sense does it make that he who is from the Father
αὐτὸν τὸν γεννήσαντα ... γνῶν’ ἐν καταλήψει;
should [text corrupt] in comprehending his own begetter?
δῆλον γὰρ ὅτι τὸ αρχὴν <τιν’> ἔχον, τὸν ἄναρχον ὅς ἐστιν
For it is clear that that which has a beginning, of him who is without beginning the nature (ὡς ἔστιν)
ἐμπερινοῆσ’ ἢ ἐμπεριδράξασθ’ οὐχ οἷόν τέ ἐστιν.
could not possibly comprehend or grasp.

1. The snowball Trinity versus the Father Almighty
2. He is "Yehowah": God's holy name
3. The story of The rich man and the beggar Lazarus: A fake, a literal history or a parable?
See why is a fake...
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Monday, 3 October 2016

137. Anarthrous construction of John 1:1 and It's Meaning

Anarthrous construction of John 1:1 and It's Meaning 

"en arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai theos en ho logos" John 1:1 in ancient Greek

About the word anarthrous an·ar·throus (n-ärthrs) adj. 1. Linguistics Occurring without an article. Used especially of Greek nouns. [From Greek anarthros, not articulated : an-, without; see a-1 + arthron, joint; see ar- in Indo-European roots.] We could understand the anarthrous meaning of John 1:1 through a simple substitution of words. If we substitute a word of a proposition with one of the common ground words the construction of the proposition will be the same. For example: "In my bag I have two apples." "In my bag I have two plums." Now, what we will have if we substitute some words from John 1:1? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Let's see: in the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god Compare now with this substitution: in the beginning was the women and the women was with man and the women was man Technically the substituted proposition shows us some very interesting things, the nature of woman. She was also a "man" in her human nature. That is the meaning of the non substituted John 1:1 If we compare John 1:1 with 2Peter 1:4, what we will say about our future nature (if we accept truly and faithfully the heavenly calling)? "Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires." We will have "the divine nature" as our Lord Jesus have from the beginning, when he was with his Father. So, we will be God or Jesus, because our "divine nature"? No, not at all. This word "god" could be used in both way: - as a term for a descriptive title of God, the Father Almighty and - as a term for a similar nature as God have Conclusion: In John 1:1 we have both terms, but in the case of the Logos, we have an anarthrous construction not an articular construction and in this case the anarthrous construction emphasizes the nature of the Logos and is not a term for a descriptive title of God. So, John 1:1 shows us that the Logos was not God the Father himself, just has the same nature as his Father. Is not about a second or lesser "god", is about nature. If the Son is a "son"... If the Son is a "son"... Trinitarians, like Adam Clarke, admits, if Lord Jesus is a "son" of God, according to what means "a son" in literal sense, he must be "originated", with beginning, without knowledge, and so, connected to God through obedience and subordinate to God. This is what we as non-trinitarians strongly believe. What should know oneness "Jesus only", Trinitarians, Unitarians, etc. about the word "god" from John 1:1 part c "and god was the word"? Many people believe in "God's incarnation" (oneness "Jesus only", Trinitarians, etc.) or in God's literal words - as God's plan incarnation (Unitarians, Socinians, Christadelphians, etc.) because they don't understand John 1:1 part c "and god the word was" and they do this because not understand a very simple way of saying. For example Satan is "the god (the same word like in John 1:1 part c) of this age", according to 2Corinthians 4:4. Satan is God, like the Father, or just "god"? Again, Peter was named "satan" by Jesus, according to Matthew.16:23. Is Peter Satan, the Devil or just "satan"? When in John 1:1 part c our Lord Jesus is named "god" is in this way of saying: John 10: 25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.” 31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? 35If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp. What is the problem with the word "god" from John 1:1 part c? This word (god) could be used or was used just only in connection with God Almighty? No! I don't know why it is so hard for Trinitarians and Unitarians to accept an apart way of saying? The first man, Adam, after his earthly nature was named "man" (which means a kind of soil), and of course his sons are all named after his nature: man. If the sons of Adam have the earthly, Adam-like, Adam-nature, why the heavenly Son of God could not have the heavenly God-like, God (Divine)-nature? The sons of Adam are not Adam, so, the son of God are not God. Of course, when the Son of God came in this world he put down his God-nature, and put up the Adam-nature, so, he became a simple man, like the first man, Adam, special, pure and without sin. If we understand right John 1:1 part c, the whole message of John 1:1 is so simple, so wonderful, so true: God have a heavenly Son (son in literal meaning, see please Hebrews 1:3), who have the same nature as his Father. This Son came down from heaven, not God, nor a "God's plan". Proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hands? Who has wrapped up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and the name of his son? Tell me if you know! In the last book of the Bible, namely, in Revelation 19:13, John calls him “The Word of God,” saying: “And his (nick)name is called The Word of God.” (AV; Dy) Note that his nickname is not called “God the Word,” but is called “The Word of God,” or God’s Word. Hence John 1:1 must mean, at most, that the Word was of God, not God himself.


1. The snowball Trinity versus the Father Almighty
2. He is "Yehowah": God's holy name
3. The story of The rich man and the beggar Lazarus: A fake, a literal history or a parable?
See why is a fake...
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Saturday, 19 December 2015

136. About the holy spirit: For trinitarians and semi-trinitarians, a helping hand in the holy spirit matter

About the holy spirit: For trinitarians and semi-trinitarians, a helping hand in the holy spirit matter
The holy spirit is of God, so "he" (God) has a mind, will and emotions... But exist some translations who complicate the matter:
For example King James Bible
"And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God" Romans 8:27.
Let's see Acts 1:5, if this is a baptism with a "third heavenly person" or a "divine mind-power" Acts 1:8? Compare with Acts 2:17,18,33. This is a good context. The Bible explain the Bible without human interpret.
What do you believe about Matthew 28:19, this is a corrupt verse or not? If not, what is "the name" of the holy spirit?
We believe that Matthew 28:19 is a corrupt verse, by the Roman Catholic Church.
See another translation, Douay-Rheims Bible
"And he that searcheth the hearts, knoweth what the Spirit desireth; because he asketh for the saints according to God."
Romans 8:27.
NTR Rom 8:27 27 însă Cel Care cercetează inimile, cunoaşte care este gândirea Duhului, pentru că Acesta mijloceşte pentru sfinţi potrivit cu voia lui Dumnezeu.
Róma 8:27 A ki pedig a szíveket vizsgálja, tudja, mi a Szellem gondolata, mert Isten szerint esedezik a szentekért.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
And He who searches the hearts knows the Spirit's mind-set, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
 
Berean Literal BibleAnd the One searching hearts knows what is the mindset of the Spirit, because He intercedes for the saints according to God. 

See the entire context, is about God's spirit, yes, God's spirit want's us, not a "third person": Rom 8: 11 And if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead, dwell in you; he that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead, shall quicken also your mortal bodies, because of his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Again the context: Rom 8:14 For whosoever are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Again: Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit (of God, not a "3rd person") also helpeth our infirmity. For we know not what we should pray for as we ought; but the Spirit (of God, not a 3rd person) himself asketh for us with unspeakable groanings. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts, knoweth what the Spirit (of God not a 3rd person) desireth; because he asketh for the saints according to God.
More context Friends and more bible translations. And a lot of prayer. Nowere a 3rd person.
Yes, God has a will. The will of God is in his spirit.
Is simple...


1. The snowball Trinity versus the Father Almighty
2. He is "Yehowah": God's holy name
3. The story of The rich man and the beggar Lazarus: A fake, a literal history or a parable?
See why is a fake...
Try with Google Translate from Romanian